Open Debate 9: The book "Night"

[Hamza23]

hi all

lol for long time we didnt post any debates

i think we reached to the 9th

anyways lets go back to the topic

have u ever read the book "Night" by Elie Wiesel"?? its about concentration camps

if u had read it then u would notice lots of debateable things in there

in the book they mentioned their faith started to fade, and other things about how they were being treated.

i dont know somehow when i was reading the book i remambred the two countries "IRAQ, and PALESTINE. i was thinking.. is whats happening today related to the past?? and how is it related??

well they also mentioned going to palestine in the book, but their parents refused,, did palestine belong to them at that time or was it Muslims land??

so if u didnt get it then the debate is

if u read the book night then u should know what happned there

so i want u to answer,, is what they r doin in palestine related to what happned to them in the past??

Yes or No and Y

and i will be back with my answer

and i hope all that reads it answers, lol otherwise i will do like last time hhh which forced u all to reply hhh

[Hamza23]

yes i think its all connected together

let me tell u why i think it is connected

first of all, when a WHOLE nation suffers it always remain in their books, and they always mention "how can we show the world how much we suffered"

and everyday u would c them thinkin about what to do

how to make someone pay up even if they werent the same person

second, lets imagine that u r a president of a country,, and i tutored ur country and killed hundreds of people and the rest of them i sent them to concentration camps to show them whos the boss of them

how would u feel as a leader of that country,, and how would u feel if ur brother is one of them??

of course u would be angry and try to do something about it REVENGE

third,,, its the human nature,, to find an excuse to what they do



btw if u dont know the story then it is about how hitler treated the jewish,, burned the kids and weaks,, and made the strong work for him ,, and the only thing they gave them was coffee in the morning and a bread with soup

thats all they are

and worked hard

and the bells regulated them

the author talks about what happned to him and how he lost hope and faith

[بسـ الطفـε(｡◕‿◕｡)зـوله ــمة]

the thing is I haven't read the book
so if u can tell me what is the book is about
and the summary of the story , not the whole story (lol)
then I will be able to reply and give my opinion


and if u said it is a bout hitler , then it is still not connected coz what they r doin has nothing to do with hitler


and IU remember his famous saying which goers like" I kept few Jew so u would understand why I have been tryin to kill them ^_^)

[Hamza23]

btw if u dont know the story then it is about how hitler treated the jewish,, burned the kids and weaks,, and made the strong work for him ,, and the only thing they gave them was coffee in the morning and a bread with soup

thats all they are

and worked hard

and the bells regulated them

the author talks about what happned to him and how he lost hope and faith

and i even mentioned that quote in my essay and i got high mark coz of it

read the previous reply of what i said before

[بسـ الطفـε(｡◕‿◕｡)зـوله ــمة]

naaa revenge!!

hater is in there nature

and the evidence is way before Hitler < how they hated Jesus and tried to kill him
but God protected him

they are tryin to make excuses that are not workin
we have brains ^_*

[من مين]

well Duaa I didn't resd the book and I'm afraid I couldn't get u here
!!

what's the story of the book?

u want to compare with past... which past do u mean?? 0

[Hamza23]

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ♥МღА♥ЯღІ♥АღМ♥ [فقط الأعضاء المسجلين والمفعلين يمكنهم رؤية الوصلات . إضغط هنا للتسجيل]
naaa revenge!!

hater is in there nature

and the evidence is way before Hitler < how they hated Jesus and tried to kill him
but God protected him

they are tryin to make excuses that are not workin
we have brains ^_*





no one made any exuses,, i mean not yet

but i am saying if one day they were asked they will say this happend to us and that,, and then now when we got into power u dont like it


i dont wanna talk about hitler in here

but i want to talk about the jwish

u should know that they suffred,, and as i c it its the same as how the arabs r now suffering

they werent united,, they didnt believe what an individual say, their faith declines

[Hamza23]

اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة من مين [فقط الأعضاء المسجلين والمفعلين يمكنهم رؤية الوصلات . إضغط هنا للتسجيل]
well Duaa I didn't resd the book and I'm afraid I couldn't get u here
!!

what's the story of the book?

u want to compare with past... which past do u mean?? 0





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it is a very famous book

am shocked that none read it

wait i will post a summery and then i will say what i mean

[Hamza23]

Night begins in 1941, when, the narrator of the story, Elie, is twelve years old. Having grown up in a little town called Sighet in Transylvania, Elie is a studious, deeply religious boy with a loving family consisting of his parents and three sisters. One day, Moshe the Beadle, a Jew from Sighet, deported in 1942, with whom Elie had once studied the cabbala, comes back and warns the town of the impending dangers of the German army. No one listens and years pass by. But by 1944, Germans are already in the town of Sighet and they set up ghettos for the Jews. After a while, the Germans begin the deportation of the Jews to the concentration camp in Auschwitz.

The Jews of Sighet are forced into crowded cattle wagons, each car consisting of eighty people. The conditions of the
train ride are horrific; they are treated no better than animals. A woman named Madame Schachter starts to go mad. She yells, "Fire! I can see a fire!" (Chapter 2, pg. 22) Periodically, throughout the train ride, she yells about fire, flames, and the furnace. At first, the others try to quiet her. When that does not work, they merely ignore her. When the train arrives at its destination, they are at Birkenau, the reception center for Auschwitz. The air smells of burning flesh.
At Birkenau, Elie is separated from his mother and sisters. Realizing the importance of being together, Elie and his father lie about their age. As they prepare to enter the camp, they see a ditch where babies are thrown into a burning flame. Elie cannot imagine that this is actually happening. It feels like a nightmare that he can never forget. The male Jews are shaved, showered, and given work clothes. After a long march, they enter Auschwitz, where Elie becomes number A-7713. After a brief stay at Auschwitz, they are moved to a new camp, Buna.
At Buna, Elie goes through the dehumanizing process of the concentration camps. Both he and his father experience severe beatings at the hand of the kapos (overseers). In one instance, Elie receives twenty-five strokes of the whip from Idek the Kapo for walking in on him while he is with a girl. All the prisoners are overworked and undernourished. Many lose faith in God, including Elie. He witnesses several hangings, one of a boy with an angelic face, and sees him struggle for over thirty minutes fighting for his life. To a stranger's cry of "Where is God now?" Elie answers: "He is hanging here on this gallows...." [فقط الأعضاء المسجلين والمفعلين يمكنهم رؤية الوصلات . إضغط هنا للتسجيل]
Elie and his father manage to survive through the selection process, where the unfit are condemned to the crematory. Elie suffers from a foot injury that places him in a hospital. After the surgery, the Germans decide to relocate the prisoners because of the advancement of the Russian army. The prisoners begin a long trek in the dead of winter. Many do not make it. Elie and his father support each other through the grueling march.
The march leads to a train ride where Elie witnesses a boy kill his father for a morsel of bread. Elie is horrified at the very thought, but he realizes that he too has become callous-that he is beginning to care only about his own survival. By the end of the winter trek to Buchenwald, out of a hundred prisoners, only a dozen survive, including Elie and his father.
Although Elie's father survives the trip, he later falls ill. Elie witnesses the slow deterioration of his father's health and his eventual death. At Buchenweld, the Germans try in desperation to exterminate all the remaining Jews. But by this time, the Germans are close to defeat. Before the Germans can carry out Hitler's plan to exterminate the Jews, there is a successful uprising in the camp by the resistance. On April 11, 1945, American tanks arrive at Buchenweld. As Elie recuperates in a hospital, he looks into a mirror and sees a corpse gaze back at him.

now i hope that everyone got the story

[Hamza23]

now for those of u that didnt get whats the topic is about


"r these related to today?"

i mean did u ever think that this could be an exuse for them to what they r doing now ??

they have been kicked from everywhere

driven to thousands places

and never faced peace

do u think its related to what they r doing now??

am not saying that they r the once that say that

i am saying that I THINK that they r related,, i didnt say any of them said that